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Douglas Motorcycles - General Discussion / Side stand mk.v
« Last post by phil1 on Today at 19:10 »
Hi Friends,  In reply to those recent side stand issues, you may find the following attachment useful,  fabricated bracket in 1/2" m/s plate close fitted to the engine mounting plate to secure any possible rotation, the engine bolt was threaded and screwed into to avoid any additional nut, as exhaust pipe runs adjacent.  Phil.
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The new pipe is made up, fitted and petrol tight. As I removed the tank the old plastic pipe snapped off, not really desirable. The new pipe is 8 mm copper pipe. The ends are 1/4" petrol pipe nuts and spigots 1/4" nut 1/4" tube bought from Burton Bike Bits. The spigots are ribbed for plastic pipe so I turned the final ridges off and they are then a very tight fit into the 8mm pipe. The first one I made up I used Evostik super epoxy because I couldn't find my silver solder, but that wasn't at all successful. Finally the spigots are silver soldered into the pipe ends (I actually managed to put the nuts on, the right way round, before soldering the spigots). Bending the pipe was difficult using the pipe bending tool and it tended to crush at the bends. It was also difficult to get the bends in the right places and the legs at the right angle, without which it was very hard getting the thing to fit. I have made another pipe since (several, in fact) using a wooden former with a more gentle curve which brings the legs to exactly the right place every time and the pipe doesn't collapse so badly. I'll finish a second pipe off using the spare ends and fit it sometime when the tank is low. For now I need the bike back on the road.
The outlet from the tank on the far side of the frame was totally blocked and had to be drilled out. After that I washed the tank with de-greaser. As far as I could see there was very little rust and I didn't seal it. Now I just have to finish getting the headlamp nacelle re-fitted ready for using the bike tomorrow.
Getting the ends is not a problem. By lucky chance I happened to have a roll of 8 mm pipe sitting around from something else I was doing years ago. If anyone needs to make up a connector but feels reluctant to buy a roll of pipe I would be happy to send 6" of pipe, bent or unbent. Maybe in exchange for the postage.
Patrick
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Douglas Motorcycles - General Discussion / Re: 1910 headstock
« Last post by Geraldc on Today at 10:16 »
The one I have is 1914 or later.
I might have to fabricate one.
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Douglas Racers and Racing History / Re: 1932 TT Douglas
« Last post by cardan on Today at 03:53 »
A bit un-Douglas related, but I do know a bit about the fate of the 1932 TT Works Rudges. As for the 1932 TT Douglases, it's a bit complicated, but at least a couple of them survive more-or-less intact.

Wal Handley crashed his Rudge at what is now called Handley's Bends. It was sent to Australia for the 1933 season, was raced until post WW2, fell into disrepair, but is now largely in one piece in my shed.

Its sister bike, ridden by Tyrell Smith, was raced in Ireland and turned up tired but intact, at a Bonhams action some years back.

Graham Walker didn't really have a senior bike - he rode his 350 with a 500 motor fitted in the Senior TT. Never-the-less "Graham Walker's TT bike" went to NZ (almost certainly his race motor fitted into TT Replica frame), where it was raced until post WW2 before it fell into disrepair. It is now restored, using a lot of reproduced parts.

Finally Ernie Nott's bike has disappeared - we know the engine number, and the approximate frame number, but it has not surfaced.

So the parallels are there - we know the story of the 1932 TT Douglases, but unlike the Rudges none has made it to the present day. That is, unless there is something left of the Bury brothers bike after the NMM fire. Has anyone investigated what happened to the remains?

Perhaps a 1932 TT Douglas might appear one day, say from Bejarano's family in Spain, looking a bit like Tyrell Smith's Rudge! https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/22727/lot/190/

Cheers

Leon
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Douglas Racers and Racing History / Re: 1932 TT Douglas
« Last post by Hutch on Yesterday at 23:26 »
Hi Leon,

Thanks for your very informative reply to my many questions and uncertainties.

I was a little unsure about Electroless Nickel being available in 1934. But it appears that it was "reinvented" in the US in the 1940's after Roux patented the process in 1914. Apparently tho' the process was not used extensively until after the 1940's. But as you say it could have been done using the Watts process.

Looks like William's did do another handicap race at Brooklands after the Ulster GP so as you say maybe the 3 32TT Douglii went back on the boat to the UK after the race?

Here are a couple more pictures from the Northern Whig 5 September 1932. (note I spelt Whig wrong on the file name for the picture of Williams (number eight) and Simpson's (number 11) altercation in my previous post.

As usual more digging to do!

Cheers

Hutch



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Dear All
Before I go with my advert on market first I want to put it to Douglas Team.  For sale Douglas T35 Mark III 1948. Sold in October 1948 to Amsterdam.
Price for this bike 26 000 PLN ( close 5000 GBP ) . If some one is interested please send me a massage. In history our forum you can find information about this bike, because after forum investigation frame was replacement (new one) .Bike is in unrestored condition. I have for this bike original parts list and instruction.  No registration documents .
I bought this bike in Holland close to 10 years ago.   

Best regards Artur
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Douglas Motorcycles - General Discussion / Re: 1910 headstock
« Last post by cardan on Yesterday at 12:43 »
Hi Gerald,

There were a few different arrangements for the steering head in the veteran years, before the triangulation of the top of the steering head disappeared. I'm not sure exactly how many or the exact detail of each, but the attached images might give some idea.

I assume your 1911 has an arrangement somewhat like the Model B shown below. There are a few different lugs used in this arrangement, and I suppose they are either stamped or forged steel, like many bicycle lugs of the period.

There was a new lug for the 1912 model, and yet another by 1914.

Does your frame and the potential donor part resemble any of these?

Cheers

Leon
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Douglas Motorcycles - General Discussion / 1910 headstock
« Last post by Geraldc on 16 May 2021 at 22:13  »
I am after information on a 1910/1911 frame .
What year was a cast  steering headstock fitted?
The frame is badly rusted and appears to have a fabricated headstock.
I have a casting that could be use to repair this.
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Douglas Racers and Racing History / Re: 1932 TT Douglas
« Last post by cardan on 16 May 2021 at 10:54  »
In searching for information described in my previous post I came across some newspaper articles on the 1932 Ulster GP. The 1932 TT Douglii were going reasonably well but alas reliability issues crept in. C.J. William's broke a valve - maybe why there were extra lubrication pipes fitted later?. Interesting that W.J.C. Hewitt (see Leon's reply #115) gets a ride on a Douglas and was 5th at half distance behind Williams. I cannot find out if Hewitt finished. More digging to do. The Douglii were obviously outclassed but showing some promise.

As William's 1932 TT Douglas was in Ireland did it stay there after the Ulster GP?

Very interesting article about the 1932 Douglases at the Ulster GP, particularly the words from C. J. Williams where he seems to take credit for the post-TT development of the bikes. It's plausible, but I wonder what happened to Worters after the TT? Of course the Ulster was in late August, and Douglas Motors (1932) was to be in the hands of receivers by November, so I guess there was "stuff" going on behind the scenes.

Re the fate of the 1932 racing Douglases, it's hard to be sure. It seems there were three bikes at the Ulster (Williams, Longman and Hewitt), but as discussed higher up the most likely candidate for "the Irish Douglas" is that Paddy Johnston took one of the TT machines to Ireland https://www.douglasmotorcycles.net/index.php?topic=5444.msg33142#msg33142 . At least there is a definite story along these lines, so maybe the three Ulster bikes just went back on the boat with the riders.

Also interesting to see in the results that at half distance, Williams and Hewitt, running 4th and 5th, were more than 10 mph off the pace set by the Nortons and Rudge in the first three places. By rights, WIlliams and Hewis should have been further down the order, because in the Ulster GP the 500s and 350s were run together, so the works teams (Norton and Rudge) split their riders between the two classes. If the race was for 500s only, the first six places would have been filled by the Norton and Rudge teams.

Pity everything went so bad so quickly after the 1932 racing season. Not only did Douglas Motors (1932) fold, taking the racing effort along with it, Rudge was in trouble too and pulled out of all racing. Rudge racing limped on for a year or two with a Syndicate organised by Graham Walker, but no such luck for the poor old Douglas.

Leon
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