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Offline EW-Ron

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EW petrol and oil tank caps
« on: 12 Mar 2020 at 03:51 »
So, the EW 350 project has stalled over the petrol and oil tank caps.
I've never seen what these look like, and have been thus far unsuccessful in tracking any down.

I've read the advice about buying Austin 7 ones, and "modifying them".
But modifying them to what  ??
My tank has 2 little lugs per fitting, so what does the underside of the cap look like ??
This is what I have at present, but clearly it lacks/needs something.



This cap also is chromed, and it should be nickel ??
Do other duggies (douglassi ?) use the same cap ?

Any pointers greatly appreciated, pics would be marvellous...

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Re: EW petrol and oil tank caps
« Reply #1 on: 12 Mar 2020 at 06:48 »
Hi tank neck looks the same as on my aero will post a couple of pics later

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Re: EW petrol and oil tank caps
« Reply #2 on: 12 Mar 2020 at 14:29 »
pics attached

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Re: EW petrol and oil tank caps
« Reply #3 on: 12 Mar 2020 at 22:27 »
Thanks Taz, thats excellent.

They look ordinary enough, wonder why I haven't come across any...

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Re: EW petrol and oil tank caps
« Reply #4 on: 13 Mar 2020 at 11:00 »
No problem glad I could help

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Re: EW petrol and oil tank caps
« Reply #5 on: 13 Mar 2020 at 20:07 »
Hi
Regarding  Austin 7 oil filler caps.
 If you go to theaustin7workshop.com look under pares part number Eoo83 (note their are two different caps the one that fits is marked coil) there are pictures.
I have fit two of these to my EW the petrol cap requires an air hole drilling.
The butterfly underneath does not extend far enough out to catch on the pins. I removed the old pins which were rivited to the tube made new brass pins tapped m3 and secured them with m3 c.s brass screws. I then drilled and tapped the butterflys to take the chains,where to fix the other end of the chain as yet to be resolved, fixing to the filler tube it catchs the cap.
The caps I purchased are brass from another supplier a7.coukspares.
Hope this helps
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Re: EW petrol and oil tank caps
« Reply #6 on: 17 Mar 2020 at 22:11 »
Thanks for that Keith.

I'm a shade disappointed that the club hasn't been involved here, since if the Austin 7 Club can have new caps made,
it wouldn't have been a big jump to have some made which fitted Douglas tanks.  ??

Along with tyres that are no longer made in the size the EW used, this makes the once most popular selling bike on the planet (!!)
less than simple to refurbish...
Cheers !

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Re: EW petrol and oil tank caps
« Reply #7 on: 18 Mar 2020 at 01:12 »
Re rims and tyres not true...
If searched, lots of stuff on this on the forum and the most popular way with tyres being unavailable, is to replace the rims with wired on type rims of same size ie  Bantam or similar...all easily available and not expensive.
This then gives you access to a wide range of off-the -shelf classic bike tyres . My previous B29 ( a go faster EW and in the picture gallery) had these and looked very nice..
If just for show, then I have seen a bike fitted with mountain bike cycle tyres, which would fit the old rims.

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Re: EW petrol and oil tank caps
« Reply #8 on: 18 Mar 2020 at 02:34 »
If just for show, then I have seen a bike fitted with mountain bike cycle tyres, which would fit the old rims.

I have thought about that.
But its not really show quality (yet ?), and it means it could never be ridden seriously.

I've also thought about the bantam rims, but by the time its rims and spokes and rim bands and tubes and tyres and lacing,
its barely an 'inexpensive' option, especially when the present wheels are in good condition and perfectly serviceable
- if only the required size of tyres weren't unobtainable !

I've also thought about 2 & 1/4" clincher tyres - but these are reportedly quite hard and thus give a rough ride,
and also look skinny when the EW was touted as the new "modern" look.

We diverge a shade though.
I'll think on it.
P.S. I wonder what happened to the moulds for the correct sized tyres ??


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Re: EW petrol and oil tank caps
« Reply #9 on: 19 Mar 2020 at 01:35 »
Long gone now I would think, it wasn't a common size even back in the day

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Re: EW petrol and oil tank caps
« Reply #10 on: 20 Mar 2020 at 22:11 »
Yes they were probably melted down to make battleships !
And then into Morris Minors...

They were a common enough size at one stage though, the EW Douglas used them,
and they were the best selling model of motorcycle on the planet in 1926 and 1927.
Oh what a fickle world we live in !!?

Meanwhile I'm still chewing over what to do about tyres and rims.
Wonder if bantam wheels would just bolt straight in, sort of.
Non-beaded edge tyres and more conventional brakes and all...

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Re: EW petrol and oil tank caps
« Reply #11 on: 21 Mar 2020 at 01:11 »
Hi Ron,

Use the "search" box in the top right - there has been a great deal of discourse over EW rims over the years. 26x3 BE was an option for the EW, and both rims and tyres are available and practical.

Cheers

Leon

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Re: EW petrol and oil tank caps
« Reply #12 on: 22 Mar 2020 at 23:04 »
Thanks Leon. I have perused such searches at some length, and am still quite undecided which way to jump !
Re-rimming perfectly good serviceable wheels goes somewhat against the grain, so just going to bantam spec beckons a little...

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Re: EW petrol and oil tank caps
« Reply #13 on: 23 Mar 2020 at 01:56 »
The latest LDMCC mag mentions the tyre issue several times...it also mentions that Douglas brakes were noted “as not particularly good”...a classic understatement... My B29 brakes were awful despite lots of fettling and as Doug said several years ago...Douglas brakes either work or they don’t...... The article said many converted to BSA or Norton brakes.
My runs were in built up areas so for survival , I used Triumph internals from drums of the same internal dia on the rear and the difference was to say the least astonishing. If you end up stripping your wheels, then worth considering converting the brakes or at least the rear to a sls at the same time.

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Re: EW tyre sizes ?
« Reply #14 on: 25 Apr 2020 at 21:14 »
I‘M curious a bout the tyre question ? What was the tyre size firvan EW? I have a set of 18 x 2-1/2” rims on mine so tyres don’t seem a problem Ray

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Re: EW petrol and oil tank caps
« Reply #15 on: 25 Apr 2020 at 23:13 »
The original rims took 25 x 3 clincher tyres. These are about 20 inch rims.
Your wheels have obviously been relaced at some point, to modern drop centre rims in a smaller size.

Its just that its a shade galling to have to take perfectly good wheels and rims and redo them to get tyres that fit.
Especially when the EW was the biggest volume seller of it day !
Bikes with strange tyre sizes can still get new today - but not the EW !

There is the factor that drop centre are considered to be safer than clinchers in the event of a puncture.
If lots of riding is to be done, this is a consideration.
I'm still chewing on it, while other projects progress...

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Re: EW petrol and oil tank caps
« Reply #16 on: 26 Apr 2020 at 05:28 »
I have a 1918 Indian with that size beaded edge wheels and tyre are available from the US and here in Oz, And I dispute your claim they were the most popular bike of 1927, Indian outsold the next two competitions in 1927 worldwide, over 15,000 were shipped to Australia alone, Ray

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Re: EW petrol and oil tank caps
« Reply #17 on: 26 Apr 2020 at 09:28 »
That is a strange and exceedingly wild claim !!
"The Iron Redskin" sez that Indian made an operating loss of ~$30 k on sales of $1.1m and 6027 machines were produced (page 189).
Australia would still be swamped with that year of Indians if anything remotely like that number went there. !
Pre the 101 model in the mid-late 20s, Indians anywhere are a bit scarce. The 1924 year Scouts seem the most numerous.
The early teens were the glory days for Indian Motocycle, in 1914 for example they made more motorcycles than the entire British motorcycle industry.

Tyres for the EW have not been available in that size for 50+ years now, this has been discussed (much !) for many years now.
I trawled all the likely sources recently, and couldn't even find any old perished examples, so maybe you need to show us a photo
of the tyre size on your sidewalls.  Or do you have drop centre rims on that too ?
Cheers !


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Re: EW petrol and oil tank caps
« Reply #18 on: 26 Apr 2020 at 10:53 »
I'm sorry but the Iron Red skin has been known for years as a poorly researched and inaccurate book, the NSW Police force alone had Indian Scouts and Chief for 1927, I know of over 150 surviving 27 Scouts in Australia at least , I have 2, Dont know of  even 20 EW Douglasses, anyhow I'm not here to cause and argument,  My PowerPlus has 20" Beaded edge rims that is the same as a clincher rim ?  MY 27 Scout had 18" Beaded edge so easier to get. Ray

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Re: EW petrol and oil tank caps
« Reply #19 on: 26 Apr 2020 at 11:03 »
Oh I see my mistake 5000 Indians shipped to Aust, Sorry about that, Ray

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Re: EW petrol and oil tank caps
« Reply #20 on: 26 Apr 2020 at 14:46 »
I'd believe 150
Indians financials are on the public record.
Its hard to get a yearly total production of 6027 wrong when it says 6027  ??
Thats for the whole world.

Your Scout - that green one with the red tank - has drop centre rims !!
We talking apples and oranges here ?

If you google EW Douglas, you get LOTS of images.
If you google 1927 Scout, you don't get many.
You must know most of the entire survivors ?


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« Reply #21 on: 28 Apr 2020 at 05:19 »
The green bike is a scout special , I said my 1918 Power plus , it has a clincher rim of 22" in Diameter, this mean it takes a 28" tyre   What was the size of a 1927  EW rim? 20" Some some said? Ray

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Re: EW petrol and oil tank caps
« Reply #22 on: 28 Apr 2020 at 06:26 »
25 x 3
Clincher rims (beaded edge) have their own size system.
(this makes the rims about 19 or 20 inches, though you don't call them like that).
They are called by the outer tyre diameter. So 25

Its been discussed for decades that this 25 x 3 size was made obsolete - decades ago.
So finding tyres for my nice clean serviceable rims is a forlorn hope.

That size sounds more sensible for a powerplus - they used big tyres back then.

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Re: EW petrol and oil tank caps
« Reply #23 on: 04 May 2020 at 14:04 »
Hi all after seeing this post here is a photo of the two filler caps I have made.They are made from brass (nickle plated afterwards)and the spring is made from a piece of an old wind up gramophone spring.

 

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