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Offline Chris54

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1914 frame questions
« on: 17 Oct 2014 at 10:19 »
Hi all,
I am in need of your knowledge. Restoring 1914 Model U, i think.
Frame number 18347, according to the documentation on this site makes it 1914 and the frame itself has the tell tales of the stand pivot in the rear tube and the tube below the tank does not fully encompass the down tubes.
I have some questions that hopefully some of you can shed some light onto.
What are the dimensions of the tubes that pass through two bottom lugs to mount the foot boards onto and how are they fixed into the frame.
The rear mud guard fixing at the top of the rear stays, it is a straight tube with a lug each side for carrier fixing, all the pictures of frames in the parts lists show a curved tube on the rear stays, is my straight tube correct.
The rear stand i have is the wrong one, someone has bent the lugs over to make it work, this has dented the rear tubes, i have repaired this but require the dimensions of the correct stand so i can make one, does it have oval tubes.

There will probably be more questions before long but any help with these will go a long way.
Many thanks, Chris 


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Re: 1914 frame questions
« Reply #1 on: 18 Oct 2014 at 17:25 »
Have you had a look at the reference photos section? My 1913 2 3/4 is there, shouldn't be much different to your 1914 model.

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Re: 1914 frame questions
« Reply #2 on: 20 Oct 2014 at 16:23 »
Hi Black Sheep (?)
Yes have checked out the pictures of yours, however, i can not see the rear stay mudguard support, is yours curved or straight.
I can see the rear stand has oval tubes but am going to have to get some dimensions to be able to reproduce one that looks correct and does the job without damaging the rear tubes again.
Also still need the dimensions of the foot board tubes and how they are secured to the frame.
Regards
Chris 

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Re: 1914 frame questions
« Reply #3 on: 25 Oct 2014 at 14:34 »
The footboard tubes are 7/8" diameter (measured with a ruler, not a micrometer) and go through corresponding holes in the frame lugs.

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Re: 1914 frame questions
« Reply #4 on: 25 Oct 2014 at 14:36 »
And another view.

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Re: 1914 frame questions
« Reply #5 on: 27 Oct 2014 at 16:55 »
Thanks for the pictures, just have to work out the length now.
I got hold of a parts list yesterday and see that the tube that goes through the frame is smaller (3/4" cos thats the size of the hole in the lugs) and its all held together with turned end caps and a long rod threaded at each end with nuts and washers.
Any chance of a picture of the rear stand, i have to make the support arms that touch the frame when in the deployed position. some measurements would go a long way.

Many thanks    Chris

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Re: 1914 frame questions
« Reply #6 on: 28 Oct 2014 at 10:49 »
Overall length of footboard tubes 16"
Stand legs from pivot centre t foot 15 1/2"
Stand legs ovality - 1" and 9/16"
Overall length of curved bits at the top (getting technical here) 2 1/2"
Stand bit across the bottom (even more technical) 3/8" dia bar, 9" long.
Hope this helps.

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Re: 1914 frame questions
« Reply #7 on: 28 Oct 2014 at 10:50 »
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Re: 1914 frame questions
« Reply #8 on: 28 Oct 2014 at 10:51 »
And another

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Re: 1914 frame questions
« Reply #9 on: 28 Oct 2014 at 10:52 »
Last one. Mudguard attachment. Fairly dismal photography. Inside a dark shed, rain pelting down. Visitors arriving any moment...

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Re: 1914 frame questions
« Reply #10 on: 28 Oct 2014 at 20:43 »
Helped a lot thanks for your time and effort.
Have just finished modifying later stand, used straight tubes instead of curved, hopefully one day i will find the correct stand.

I will post a couple of pics of my efforts to repair the frame and stand soon
many thanks. Chris