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Those threads that nut is used on that I have checked had a 60 degree thread profile.

Which would make them 3/8 20 tpi Cycle Thread Coarse, rather then 55 degree BSF.

Spare list from club is here https://douglasmcc.co.uk/pre-war-douglas-spares/

Aha !  Thanks Daren.
Don't know how I didn't come across this ...

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Douglas did use Whitworth coarse threads in cases where they were tapping into aluminum (or aluminium). The ohv engines use 5/16-18  for cylinder studs. Both ohv and sv engines used the same thread for magneto hold down studs into aluminum. The 350EW, B29, L29, L3, H3, C32, A31/32 used 1/2-12 for the crankcase mounting inserts (more on that momentarily). The 250/350 Aero used 9/16 Whitworth for the crankcase mounting clamp bolts. In the cases above factory drawings state "1/2 Whit", "5/16 Whit", or "9/16 Whit" as the case might be. However drawings for 3-speed gearcases for the 350EW, 600EW, and the S5/S6/T6, are annotated just "3/8-20". No mention of thread series such as Whitworth (fine) or CEI/BSC-20. And contrary to the aforementioned practice, and good engineering practice, of using a coarse thread in soft, ductile materials. It would be a good experiment to inspect the thread profile of some original gearcase bolts.

Other exceptions to using coasre threads in aluminum are the cam spindle outrigger plate bolts for things like the A31/32 and the Aero series, which used Douglas' own 5/16-25 thread. Timing cover studs and screws were frequently 3/17-27. These though do not tend to be torqued as high and crankcase and engine mounting points.

In situations where a strong purchase was required as well as the expectation of removing and installing the fastener multiple times, Douglas would fit a threaded insert. They did not trust the wear properties of their own aluminum! Given that the bolt or stud is threading into steel, the above premise does not apply.

According to the EW spare list, they mention both an Anchorage Bolt (7596) and Anchorage Stud & Nut For Stud (9251 & z/467) So a bit confusing as to if it should be a bolt or stud, maybe both were used at different times. The anchorage bolt for the gear case is 7741. Had it been the same number as the engine mounting bolt, then checking the profile on a gear box bolt would be I think 99.9% conclusive. As it is, I think it would be 99%. Nut z/467 is also 3/8-20 and dates back to the 2-3/4hp era. Those threads that nut is used on that I have checked had a 60 degree thread profile.

-Doug
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Tell us how it goes.
From the deafening silence here, its almost like no-one has ever removed these studs to
see/say what they are ??

The Owners Club seems to like keeping it secret what spares they hold too,  which is a bit
unfortunate for bikes being restored - so is it worth joining at this stage in proceedings ?




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Douglas Motorcycles - General Discussion / Re: 1926 EW engine to frame bolts
« Last post by MattF on 31 May 2023 at 13:17  »
Your replies are noted at this end Ron and I will proceed with caution. I am in no rush with this. I may hear from you again.
Thanks for all of your time..
Matt
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You could - very carefully - try to thread a 3/8 BSF bolt into the threaded crankcase holes.
If you meet any reluctance - whatsoever - cease and desist.

I have noted that manufacturers, if they don't generally use BSF, will go to any lengths to avoid using them. !
Inc using the aforesaid 20 tpi coarse cycle thread.
Always a possibility ....

Note well the comment
https://britishfasteners.com/threads-bsc
"We have numerous taps and dies in BSC with 20 tpi threads."
"Angle of thread = 60°  "




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For clarity, I only removed the nut.
Without taking the engine out of the frame, those studs look to be very solidly in there.

I think we (You !) need to further explore whether those studs are 3/8 BSF or 3/8 20 tpi coarse cycle thread.
Either one is a possibility - the 55° of BSF v's  60° may not seem like much, but this is a rather critical application,
and the wrong one could damage the thread in the alloy engine mounting points.

I'll try to run a new 3/8 BSF nut onto the stud tomorrow (in daylight)
If it goes on cleanly, it would be good to verify.
I don't have a 3/8 20 tpi cycle thread coarse to try.
They would be a special order.
I have met the occasional other 20 tpi cycle thread on other bikes.
When you meet something odd, its best to investigate, and not force it ....
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Douglas Motorcycles - General Discussion / Re: 1926 EW engine to frame bolts
« Last post by MattF on 31 May 2023 at 07:44  »
Hi EW Ron…thanks for going to the trouble of removing the stud for me. I can get both the nuts and the studs here locally.
Take care.
Matt.
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Douglas Motorcycles - General Discussion / Re: T35 frame crack repair?
« Last post by douglas1947 on 31 May 2023 at 06:55  »
I add a photo of the MK1 frame rear.
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Douglas Motorcycles - General Discussion / Re: T35 frame crack repair?
« Last post by douglas1947 on 31 May 2023 at 06:45  »
Eddie,

many thanks for your helpfull advises.
I have now started stripping down the bike, but must find someone for TIG welding.

I thing about the construction of the early frame type (MK1+3).
There is above the the swinging arm lug the small wellded / brazed? on triangle to bolt on the back frame.
This brings also negative side pressure to the frame tube.
May be, it is good to enlarge the triangle down to the lug?

Michael
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