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Offline SteveW

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Douglas G31
« on: 25 Apr 2024 at 14:53 »
Amongst the several Douglas machines we have on display at Milntown on the Isle of Man, we have a 1931 G31 600cc OHV.

The oiling system on the machine has a supply from the petrol/oil tank to a traditional adjustable drip feed with sight glass. It also has a return pipe from the engine back to the tank. It is assumed that there is an oil pump inside the timing cover to enable the return.

When the engine is run there is no drip feed, nor evidence of return to the oil tank, and we are reluctant to disturb the timing cover without some information on the layout behind it.

We would be grateful for any advice or information on this engine.

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Re: Douglas G31
« Reply #1 on: 25 Apr 2024 at 17:13 »
Yes, there indeed is an oil pump on the inside face of the timing cover:



It is a 3-stage pump. I have not traced the passages specifically on a F/G31, but if it is like other 3-stage Douglas pump circuits, and referring to the following image with the pump removed...



...the oil from the tank enters the fitting at the front face of the drip sight plinth, enters the smallest pump stage (to the right) and is pumped to the drip sight bib.

It is then drawn from the drip sight bowl by the middle, next larger stage, and pumped to the quill feeding the end of the crankshaft. The quill is missing in these photos.

After doing is job in the engine, it drains down to the sump under the crankcase and is drawn up via a drilled gallery to the third, and largest stage of the pump (left end). It passes out via a fitting in the front face of the timing cover, thence to the oil compartment in the petrol tank.

Possible failures are the paper gasket between the pump body and the airbox has blown out. The drive gear or worm has stripped, The peg has broken off the rides in the gear cam track so the pump is rotating but not reciprocating. There is also a bypass in the pump that passes oil above a certain pressure (as restricted by the needle valve in the drip sight) from the exhaust back to the inlet port of the 1st stage. These generally do not give trouble, but it is possible it is stuck open or the spring behind the check ball has corroded from acidic oil and failed.



The oil is collected from the sump and returned to the tank. I have not had one of the sump plugs out, but suspect (again) if like other Douglas systems the cap has a wire screen soldered to it to filer out the larger debris before returning the oil to the tank. This screen could be sludged or gacked up, but that would only impact the flow of oil back to the tank. You ought to still be seeing oil being pumped into the sight glass.

Likewise you could have a failure in the gasket under the drip sight bowl allowing it to suck in air, but it still should pump oil to the drip sight.

There ought to be a screen in the fitting in the bottom of the tank that oil is drawn from. That could be sludged up and would be the first and easiest thing to check.

Some of the drip sights have a one-way ball check in the drilling for the needle valve (from underneath), but I do not know if the F/G31 is one of those.

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Re: Douglas G31
« Reply #2 on: 25 Apr 2024 at 18:28 »
Many thanks Doug, for the detailed description of the lubrication system. We will check all the things you suggest.

Regards,
Steve

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Re: Douglas G31
« Reply #3 on: 26 Apr 2024 at 02:38 »
I guess it hasn't run for a while? If so, I'll endorse Doug's suggestion to start at the top and check the oil tank. Very common for the "oil" in the bottom of the tank to be sludgy treacle or worse. Even if the oil in the tank is just dirty black, it's worth taking the tank off so it can be properly cleaned. You can do the petrol tank while you're there.

Best not to run the bike until you know there is some oil going in.

Leon