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Offline bazza

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Magneto points
« on: 18 Nov 2007 at 02:48 »
Hi At the moment I am struggling to adjust the points of my EW. The manual says to gap them at 11 thou because these points are different than a normal distributor therefore no cam so at what point do you set them?.
Also the manual says to set the piston (which one front or back)to 5/16 BTDC how can one do that when one cannot see the piston,fully advance the mag control open points insert a strip of paper and test.
Please can someone help hope to get the old girl going by christmas.
Regards Bazza
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Re: Magneto points
« Reply #1 on: 18 Nov 2007 at 05:07 »
Bazza,

Your magneto does have a cam to open the points. Assuming you are using the BTH M2 series magneto, the cam is a ring, with two opposed areas on the inner diameter that have a smaller radius than the rest of the ring. This pushes the shoe of the contact breaker arm inwards, and opens the contacts.

If you can not probe the piston to tell when it is at TDC, take the timing cover off, remove the crank pinion nut, and look at the key for the pinion. It points directly at the crankpin for the rear cylinder. So when the key is horizontal, both pistons are at TDC (opposed twin, remember?) Arrange a suitable indicator, and mark the rim of your flywheel with a felt tip pen. Then you can lay out your 'advance' mark. Rather than use the 5/16" BTDC, which you can not see, the EW handbook also recommends timing at full advance to 50 degrees BTDC; further 10 degrees is the equivalent of 3/4" measured along the circumference of the flywheel (assuming you have the proper size flywheel, 8-5/8", I think, at least the math works out right for that diameter.)

It does not matter if you time the front or the back cylinder. Which ever cylinder has both valves shut, that is the one on the firing stroke (unless you timed your cams completely wrong! :o) Make sure the magneto slip ring is directing the spark to that cylinder, and not the other one. Use very thin paper, and not regular writing paper. Or use a continuity meter across the points. With the points closed you will have a dead short. When the points open you will get a reading back through the primary windings, but with the right settings you should notice the difference between the points open (nil resistance) and points closed (higher resistance.)

-Doug

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Re: Magneto points
« Reply #2 on: 18 Nov 2007 at 06:38 »
Bazza,
           If you are just trying to gap the points, follow Doug's advice. If you are trying to set the magneto timing, you could try the following. Set the engine to front cylinder firing position by removing the spark plug and placing your finger over the hole. Feel for a pressure build up as you slowly rotate the flywheel anti clockwise. This establishes which cylinder is on the firing stroke and when the piston ceases pushing air from the cylinder, this is top dead centre. (Some engines also have a small screwed plug in the front cylinderhead for this purpose - if yours has this plug, then you can accurately establish top dead centre by this method with a final check using a rod to 'feel' when the piston is at the top). Now looking at the points end of the mag,pull the advance/retard cable tight so that you are on full retard - turn the armature so that the actual points are on the left and the heel is just coming into contact with the cam. You can now engage the magneto with the timing gears. This method of timing on full retard is not quite as accurate as timing at full advance but it gives you a starting point to make further adjustments. The reccommended method of timing at full advance may give accuracy but, in practice, when out on the road, the rider will probably use the advance/retard lever to adjust the timing to get the engine running sweetly, so the static timing is somewhat irrelevant.
                                 Good luck,
                                              Regards,
                                                  Eddie.

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Re: Magneto points
« Reply #3 on: 18 Nov 2007 at 22:13 »
However! You should do the timing at full advance so that the timing is correct when the magneto is in such a postion as to get the full flux of the magnet. This results in the strongest spark where you want it ie at normal road speed.

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Re: Magneto points
« Reply #4 on: 19 Nov 2007 at 02:13 »
Hi Guys,Thanks for all your help just spent the last 2 days fixing the problem following everyones advice and it seems that it has all worked out the test will come around christmas time when I kick her over.

Regards Bazza